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This page details how I painted the Cabinet and Backbox using the stencils I made.  It contains all the info you'll need on the products I used.

To see how the Stencils are made go the the Stencils page.

Fathom uses a 3 color scheme for its Backbox (BB) & Cabinet (Cab).  The 3 colors are Blue, Yellow & Teal.  The primary color is the first color to be applied to the BB/Cab.  The entire BB/Cab is painted with the primary color.  After the primary color is applied then the other colors are applied, one at a time.

The first color to be applied to the BB/Cab is the primary color, Blue.

The next color to be applied to the BB/Cab is Yellow or Lime.

The final color to be applied to the BB/Cab is Teal.

Links to areas within the Painting page.

Air Brush Section

Paint Booth Section

Paints Section

Process Section

Pictures Section

AIR BRUSHES

Wow, so many choices!!  When I started this process I had no previous experience with air brushes and associated equipment.  I found several posts on RGP that were useful.  David Gersic had posted a summary of a whole bunch of other posts on the different types of Air Brushes.

So many questions and decisions to make.  

Which type of Air Brush (Automobile air brush vs. Hobby air brush)?
Which type of Hobby Air Brush (Internal mix vs External mix)?
Which type of Automobile Air Brush (Siphon air brush vs. HVLP (High Volume Low Pressure))?
Which type of Compressor (Hobby compressor vs. Garage compressor)?
How much money to spend?

HOBBY AIR BRUSH

I finally decided to pickup a hobby air compressor and hobby air brush.  I went to the Louisville area Harbor Freight store.  Lucky for me, the day I was there they had their hobby air compressor with the pressure gauge and air trap on sale from $99 to $60.  I picked up their hobby air brush, the "1500" (an Internal mix air brush), for $20.  They also had their cheapo External mix air brush on sale from $10 to $5 so I picked one of those up for the kids to play with.  I got out of there for under $90.

I spent over 10 hours of testing and learning with the "1500" model and just wasn't satisfied.  It took me a long time to figure out the thinning ratio of the paint to get it to flow through the brush.  Too thick and it doesn't flow.  Too thin and it comes out like water.  

Next, variable to figure out the distance to hold the brush from the area being painted.  About 12 to 16 inches works.

The last variable to determine was how much air pressure to use. Internal mix air brushes (the "1500" model is an Internal mix air brush) have one control that determines the air pressure and the amount of paint to be dispersed.  You control this by pressing down and back.

Summary

Hobby Air Brushes
Paint comes out too thin.  Coverage area is too small.  It would have taken me FOREVER to paint a cabinet and backbox.  It would have taken more than 3 coats because the paint has to be so thin (3:1 ratio) to get it to work.
You do not need a paint booth with this type of air brush.
Thinning Ratio is 3:1 (3 parts Latex paint with 1 part water).
Air Pressure from Hobby compressor set between 30-35 psi.  However, I have now switched to using a garage compressor. 
Distance from work is 12 to 16 inches.
Inexpensive setup - $70 with everything on sale! 
Cabinet/Backbox Painting - TERRIBLE Tool to use.
Coverage area is too small
Paint is too thin
You would have to fill up the air brush paint cup at least 4 times to apply one coat of paint to a backbox (I can't imagine how many for a cabinet).
Cabinet Interior Painting - SUPERB Tool to use.
Stencil Painting - SUPERB Tool to use.
1500 Model
It broke on me after the 2nd day of testing.  It was probably because I didn't clean it properly.  
Harder to use than an External mix air brush.
For me, this was a waste of money!
CHEAPO AIR BRUSH for $10 ($5 on sale).
Easy to use.  Adjust the paint flow nozzle and then all you have to do is press all the way down on the air pressure button.
I've used this for 2 straight weeks without any issues.  Its easy to clean after using.  
Save yourself some money and get this air brush!

AUTOMOBILE AIR BRUSH

My dad had one of these and a garage compressor (Campbell/Hausfeld 20 gallon tank).  I did some testing with this and the coverage was excellent. I quickly decided this would be how I would paint the Backbox/Cabinet.  I still had to figure out the variables (thinning ratio, air pressure, distance) for this equipment like I did for the Hobby Air Brush.  I spent over 10 hours testing, learning and tweaking how to use this type of air brush for cabinet and stencil painting.

This setup really atomizes the paint particles.  You have to wear a face mask.  You need a paint booth if painting inside otherwise paint, over spray and paint-dust will get everywhere.

You can pickup the garage type compressors just about any hardware store or Wal-Mart.  W-M carries the Campbell-Hausfeld brand of compressors and accessories.  The compressor will run you around $200.  The automobile air brush will run you around $45.

I have used both a Siphon air brush gun and a HVLP (High Volume Low Pressure) gun.  They both worked well so you can use either one.  I now use the HVLP but only because I like the way it "feels" - it has nothing to do with the quality or result of the cabinet painting.

I tested doing some stencil painting with this type of air brush and I never liked the results.  The air pressure kept lifting the stencil edges and produced more over spray than I desired.  I was standing on a step ladder about 4 feet above the painting surface and still having problems.  Also, because the paint comes out so thick, my paint layer was too thick causing me problems when I removed the stencils.

Summary

Automobile Air Brushes
Paint comes out nice and thick.  Coverage area is huge.  It takes about 2 minutes to cover an entire Backbox.  You can get away with 2 coats of paint if you go nice and slow to get good coverage (but you risk DRIPS from spraying too much paint on one coat) - I preferred 3 thin layers of paint.
You do need a paint booth with this type of air brush.
Thinning Ratio is 3:1 (3 parts Latex paint with 1 part water).
Air Pressure from garage compressor set between 60-70 psi.
Distance from work is 24 to 36 inches.
Expensive setup - $250+ 
Cabinet/Backbox Painting - SUPERB Tool to use.
Cabinet Interior Painting - TERRIBLE Tool to use.
Stencil Painting - TERRIBLE Tool to use
Campbell-Hausfeld Automobile Air Brush (Model DH6500)
Easy to use.  Easy to clean.  Adjust the paint flow nozzle and then all you have to do is press the trigger to get air pressure.
Takes about 1/8 a quart of paint (plus thinner) to apply 1 coat of paint on a backbox.
Campbell-Hausfeld Compressor is 5HP, 125PSI, 20Gallon Tank, 5.5CFM
For me, this is worth the of money.

Pictures of the Hobby and Automobile Air Brushes, along with Compressors,  can be found in the PICTURE Section below.

PAINT BOOTH

I had been warned that when spray painting you get over spray everywhere.  I planned on painting my cabinet in my garage.  I didn't want to paint the cabinet outside in the wind and where debris (such as dirt, dust, grass clippings, etc) could get attached to a fresh paint job.  I also didn't want over spray to go over all of my personal items in my garage.  My only recourse want to build a temporary paint booth.

I have an attached 2-car garage.  I put my paint booth in one section of the garage so that I could still park a car in there at night.  

The Paint Booth had to be small enough to fit in one section of the garage but large enough where I could walk around all 4 sides of the cabinet while I was painting it.  I also wanted it to be a temporary structure and I didn't want to spend any money on it.

I constructed an enclosed room using 2x4s, plastic, braces, screws and staples.  The structure is 8ft deep X 10ft wide X 8ft high.  Total cost is $85.  This might seem like a lot, but if it save me from having paint damage on something then its worth the extra expense. Below is a materials price list:

2X10 lumber (Qty of 4) = $12
2X8   lumber (Qty of 8) = $16
2X9   lumber (Qty of 2) = $6
2-Bulb Shop Lights (Qty of 2) = $16
10x25 roll of plastic (Qty of 2) = $10
Staples (Qty = bunch!!) = Free from my brother
Braces (Qty of 8) = $25

I spent the extra bucks on the braces because they made the project come together very fast and I can reuse them again when reconstructing the paint booth for another cabinet in the future.  Also, the brackets speed up the de-construction process.  The Shop Lights are great because the lighting prevents shadows and lets me work at night when the sun goes down.

It took my brother & I about 3 hours to put the structure together.  The braces really sped up the process.  Also, I made the dimensions so I would not have to make any cuts.  We also used one of those electric staple cuts - SWEET!!! When I'm finished, all of the material will be recycled and used again.  I'll use the lumber somewhere along the way.  The plastic will be tossed.

Pictures of the Paint Booth can be found in the Picture Section below.

PAINTS

I didn't own an Air Brush gun or Compressor so I checked into painting the Cabinet/Backbox with Spray Paint Cans.

I couldn't find the colors I needed on the Krylon website.  I couldn't find the colors I needed in any of the big home repair stores (Lowes, Home Depot, Wal-Mart).  I couldn't find the colors I needed in any of the custom paint stores.

I checked into getting the paint custom matched and put into spray paint cans to see if that was cost effective - NOT!!  To do that, a minimum of 1 Gallon has to be mixed (at Sherwin-Williams).  Its $6 a spray paint can.  However, 1 gallon of paint makes approximately 24 spray paint cans.  This comes to $144 per color and I need 3 colors so it would be $450 in paint!!!

I decided I was going to have to make the one-time purchase of the equipment needed to spray paint my cabinet - an air brush and compressor.  I knew I could purchase the equipment and paint for substantially less than $450.  Since I made this decision, it was off to get my paint matched.

I got my paint matched and mixed at Lowes.  You can go to any LOWES Super Center in the US and give them the information below and they will be able to mix the paint for you.

I took my Backbox (without the glass, white display board, wiring harness and PCBs) into Lowes - yes, I did get a few strange looks.  I spent a lot of time working with a clerk (Todd F) trying to match the paints on the sample cards to the game.  The Backbox was thoroughly cleaned with Mean Green to remove all of the dirt.  While trying to match the colors, I had to remember that the paint was over 20 years old, so you don't want to match EXACTLY - you want a little bit "brighter" color.

The Blue and the Teal were pretty easy to match.  The Yellow was tough.  Its yellow with green in it.  I wouldn't have believed it if I didn't see the 10's of sample colors.

I performed a test paint on a extra piece of plywood for all 3 colors.  I wanted to compare them to the colors on the Backbox/Cabinet prior to beginning just to make sure the colors really did match.  Well, its a good thing I did because the BLUE was way too light.  

I went back to Lowes with my Backbox, my piece of plywood with the test paint and the quart of Blue paint.  I hooked up with Todd F.  He, one of his co-workers and myself held my game up to the machine used to match paint via a laser beam.  We got a good scan.

I performed another test paint and the new BLUE looks perfect!!  The YELLOW and TEAL are as near to perfect as can be expected when comparing new paint to 20+ year old paint.  The new paints are just a teeny, tiny little bit brighter.

My advice is to go to Lowes and pick up the sample cards and then take them home and try to match the paint.  Take the color cards I provide below and take what you think will match.  Once you find a match you can have Lowes mix you up a quart and then you can shoot the cabinet and backbox.

However, the ONLY way to really get a match is to have them do it with the "laser beam".  Take your backbox up to Lowes (during a slow time - such as Tuesday morning).  The laser beam device is connected to the computer via a parallel cable.  Ask the clerk to remove the cover of the laser beam (connected via 2 thumb screws).  Now place the backbox next to the computer equipment and have the clerk place the laser beam right over the color to be scanned/matched.  THIS WORKS GREAT! 

NOTE:  Fathom was produced with two different colors of "yellow".  Through communications with other Fathom owners, especially Mike Mahaffey, it has been determined that for Serial Numbers in the 1000s, the color is Yellow (with a tint of green) and Serial Numbers between the  2000-5000 range the color is Lime Green.  The Fathom used in this project was Serial Number EFA 1380, so the color codes (and pictures) for the "Yellow" are the color Yellow with a tint of green.  If/when someone matches the Lime Green color then I will post it on this site. 

BLUE - Derived from Laser Beam match on the Backbox.
You will need TWO Quarts. 
Olympic Paint. 
The mixture info for Olympic is:
Quart Size
Semi-Gloss Latex
Base 5
101-22.5   102-2Y3  113-11   116-12.5
TEAL - Paint Name GRECICAN ISLE.
You will need ONE Quart. 
Olympic Paint. 
Paint Color 101-6. 
The mixture info for Olympic is:
Quart Size
Semi-Gloss Latex
Base 5
102-8   103-1Y18  105-4   113-1Y28
YELLOW - Paint Name Banana Green.
You will need ONE Quart. 
American Tradition Paint. 
Paint Color 95-41B. 
Todd shot the color sample with a laser to get the paint mixture codes for Olympic.  The mixture info is:
Quart Size
Semi-Gloss Latex
Base 5
103-2   107-1+1  111-1Y20   113-1Y24+1
LIME - Derived from Laser Beam match on the Backbox.
You will need ONE Quart. 
Olympic Paint. 
The mixture info for Olympic is:
Quart Size
Semi-Gloss Latex
Base 5
103-11+1   105-5+1  113-30+1   114-2Y1+1
BLACK
Rust-Oleum Gloss Enamel 
Spray Paint Can
Gloss Black #7779
This is to paint the "neck" of the cabinet.  This is the part that connects the Cabinet to the Backbox.

PROCESS

I used the Automobile Air Brush to paint the Backbox & Cabinet.

I used the Hobby Air Brush to paint the Cabinet Interior.

I used the Hobby Air Brush to paint the Yellow and Teal Stencils.

SIDE RAILS - I left the side rails on.  I masked off the side rails.  I bent over the masking tape to cover the bottom edges. I then took an Exacto knife and cut away the excess tape so it wasn't touching any of the cabinet.  Some people take the rails off, but I wasn't up for that.  I would want to practice that technique on a destroyed cabinet first.  I read several posts where people messed (ie bent) their rails while trying to get them off.  I really don't know why someone would take them off.  They are "permantly" mounted, so no one would/will ever see the paint beneath them.  Even if you get some over spray on the chrome rails, it will easily come off with Goof Off.  To clean the "nails", I used tiny pieces of sand paper and very meticulously sanded the "darkness" off of the nails.  I then polished them with NevrDull and it looks really good.  There might/probably is a better way of cleaning up the nails but it was almost an afterthought and it worked.

First thing to do is clean the BB/Cab with Mean Green.  Now go get your paint matched.  Next make your stencils.  Now you're ready to start the painting process.

BLOCK sand the BB/Cab to remove any imperfections such as raised wood grain.  Some people remove the original paint, but I did not do this.  Use Bondo to fill in any gouges (such as initial carvings!) and pieces of wood that have been broken off.  BLOCK sand the BB/Cab again to get a good smooth surface.  For BLOCK sanding, start with around 80 or 100 grit and end with , 180 or 220 grit.  After sanding, wipe down with Naphtha and a Tack Cloth.

Mask off EVERYTHING you do not want to be painted with the base coat (in Fathom that would be BLUE).  I use newspaper and masking tape.  You will have lots of over spray when using an automobile air brush - you have been warned!

Next use PRIMER to seal the wood.  Krylon white Primer will do the job.

Now lets paint the Backbox/Cabinet.  Do either the Backbox or Cabinet - I did my Backbox first.  I ended up doing 3 coats, but probably could have gotten away with just 2 coats.  For FATHOM, Blue is the base coat.  I placed the Backbox & Cabinet on a piece of plywood resting on a pair of saw horses so that it was waste level.  

I did all of this painting inside my paint booth.  I wore a special face mask for Latex painting. It is very thick. It cost $4 at LOWES.  Its a good thing I used a paint booth - a paint cloud was created every time I applied a layer of paint.  My face mask is now Blue. I used one of the cheapo face masks (5 for $3) during my testing/learning phase and I got all kinds of paint residue in my nasal passages - YUK!! 

I let each coat dry 24 hours prior to applying the next coat.  I let the last base coat dry 48 hours prior to stenciling.  It took me 3 days to paint the Backbox and another 3 days to paint the Cabinet.  If I had my act together, I could have painted these at the same time and saved myself 3 days.  It took me about 1 hour for each layer.  In this hour I mixed the paint, painted the Backbox/Cabinet and cleaned up the equipment.

Pictures of the Backbox/Cabinet being painted can be found in the Picture Section below.

STENCIL PAINTING

When applying Stencils, I worked on one side at a time.  Once I finished applying both stencils on a side I flipped the Backbox/Cabinet over and did the other side.  Some people do it this way while others do one Color at a time - different strokes for different folks.

For FATHOM, the order of painted colors is:

BLUE
YELLOW
TEAL

Mask off EVERYTHING you do not want to be painted with the stencil color.  I use newspaper and masking tape.  You will have some over spray when using a hobby air brush - you have been warned!

Lay your stencil down.  For the YELLOW stencil on FATHOM you need to be careful on the word BALLY.  There will be a lot of over spray in this area if you don't somehow secure the inner portions of the "B", "A", "LL" to the backbox.  The Stencil Spray Adheasive works great - if you use that product then you will not have any underspray in this delicate area.  

NOTEMichael's sells a product called SPRAY MOUNT - I've heard that is really messy.  I use the product called STENCIL ADHEASIVE SPRAY that I purchased at a local arts-n-craft store (DEE'S CRAFTS in Lou KY) and a very similar product sold at Ben Franklin stores.

I used Elmer's Tac 'N Stik.  It cost $1 and can be found at Office Depot.  You get an ounce which will last you a life time.  You have to pull off a really teeny, tiny amount.  I can not over emphasize how small a portion you need.  It has to be small enough to be wafer thin so it doesn't lift the stencil off the Backbox, yet enough surface area to hold the stencil down.  You will be pleasantly surprised on how very, very little of this stuff you need.  LESS is MORE!!!  

NOTE-->I do not use the ROCK method anymore as I have switched to Stencil Adheasive Spray.  I left the old method on here in case you couldn't find the product or you wanted to do it a different way.

I used rocks everywhere I could.  If I couldn't get a rock in there then I used the Tac 'N Stik.  I got a bag of aggregate rock at Wal-Mart for $3.  I liked it because it had an assorted of rock sizes and (for the most part) they had flat surfaces which kept them from being moved around by the air pressure from the compressor.

For the TEAL stencil on FATHOM you need to make sure it correctly lays over the Yellow stencil.  The edges need to be next to each other.  Double-check the entire stencil to make sure everything is lining up with the Yellow stencil.  Also, you need to be careful around the guy's chest and his flipper.  These two areas are very thin and will lift with the air pressure causing over spray.  Use the Tac 'N Stik to keep this portion of the stencil down.

I painted the stencils with a Hobby Air Brush purchase for $5 from Harbor Freight.  Worked like a charm!!

When painting Stencils, LESS IS MORE!!  Do not put the paint on too thick or you'll get "pools" of paint on the edges of the stencil.  The stencil will "wick" the paint to the open edges.  Do a light coat/pass - just enough to cover the base coat.  Now do a second coat.  Make sure the first and second coats are even everywhere on the stencil.  

When painting your stencils, you will be holding the air brush nozzle perpendicular to the ground.  This may cause the paint to not flow correctly.  Every now and then you will need to hold the air brush so the nozzle is horizontal to the ground.  Spray onto a portion of the cabinet that is masked off with newspaper until the paint starts flowing again.

I highly recommend you create practice stencils and do this on a piece of plywood.  Especially practice getting the the word BALLY painted correctly with a stencil.

When painting with an air brush, remember to always start painting PRIOR to the actual area to be painted and finish painting AFTER the area.  This prevents blobs of paint.  Use nice, smooth, even strokes.  I go Left to Right.  Take your time and keep the air brush parallel with the work.  Move your arm and not the air brush.

Now that I've painted a pinball backbox/cabinet with an air brush I don't think I will waste my time with Spray Paint Cans.  With spray paint cans I'm limited to the colors available in stock.  With an air brush I can get an color I want.  Its also a lot cheaper to paint a backbox/cabinet with an air brush than it is with spray paint cans.

Pictures of Stencil Painting can be found in the Picture Section below.

TIPS and TRICKS

Baby Food Jars - I went up to Wal-Mart and bought a bunch of 6 ounce baby food jars to mix my paints in.  I poured the paint from the Quart container into the Baby Food jar.  I then added the appropriate amount of thinner.  Once I got the paint thinned correctly I poured the thinned mixture into the air brush paint cup.  You want MORE paint in this cup than you will use...you do not want air to get sucked up into the air brush - you only want paint to be sucked up and sprayed out.  After I finished painting, I poured the remaining paint out of the air brush cup back into the Baby Food jar.  This saves me some paint.  This also saves me lots of time from having to constantly thin out batches of paint.
Face Mask - get a good one, your sinuses will love you.  You can't go wrong with the $4 "Latex Paint & Odor Respirator" by 3M from Lowes.  You could always spend $30 and get your a real respirator but that's probably over kill.
Paint Booth - this is a must have if you use an Automobile Air Brush. It saves your valuables from getting a layer of paint from the paint dust cloud.  Its cheap to make.  You could do all of your painting outside in the yard, but you have to drag everything in-and-out.  I just leave everything in the paint booth during the 3 week process.  Saves my valuables and saves me time.
Tac 'N Stik Adhesive - besides rocks, this is a stenciler'ss best friend.  Spray Mount is messy and ruins stencils.  Tac 'N Stik is cheap, readily available, easy to use and does not damage anything.  Don't let the word adhesive scare you, its nothing but a putty substance.
Less is More - When painting, all you need is a thin coat to COVER.  You'll want to (and probably will) put on too thick a coverage of paint on your stencils.  This makes it look less authentic.  Original paint jobs on early pinball machines had very thin layers of paint, you can sometimes see the under color.
Don't forget the Soft Blanket - No, its not to keep you Backbox and Cabinet warm during those long, lonely nights.  Its to protect your freshly painted surfaces when you turn the Backbox or Cabinet on its side to paint the Stencils.  You don't want to lay your freshly painted game down on any rough surfaces such as concrete, plywood or even a tarp/plastic.  I got an old blanket we use for camping out.  Since you're doing Stencil painting, its highly unlikely you'll get any paint on the blanket.  If you do happen to get some paint on the blanket, it will clean up in the washer.
Perfection - who needs it!! - I'm teasing.  I want it to look perfect.  I'm doing all of this work to make it look perfect.  BUT, the fact is, the original factory stencil jobs were NEVER PERFECT.  There's imperfections in the layers of paints, the stencils lining up, the over spray, etc.  If your stencil job comes out somewhat imperfect, no one will ever notice but you!!

Thanks goes out to...

I would like to thank Ben, Clay & Johnnie Terry for providing me with guidance on how to paint a cabinet with an air brush and stencils.  I also found lots of good posts on RGP in regards to this process.

I did perform quite a bit of air brush testing with stencils made out of portions of the artwork and plywood.  This is how I tested, learned and perfected the process of air brush painting and stenciling.  It also gave me 100% confidence that the air brush & stenciling technique would work and how I could eliminate the unnecessary over spray.

In the picture below showing my tests, notice the Blue and how light it is compared to the Blue on the plywood in the background.  The lighter Blue was my original (incorrect) color match.  The darker Blue in the background is the correct color match that I used to repaint the Backbox and Cabinet.

PICTURES

(PICTURE HAS BEEN REMOVED) Pic showing test stencils and color scheme.

Colors were put next to cabinet to verify all 3 were correct.

Background plywood BLUE is 1 coat applied by hobby air brush.  Foreground wood has 1 coat applied by automobile air brush. 

(PICTURE HAS BEEN REMOVED) Pic showing rocks holding down a clear acetate stencil.  

The blue dots on the left-hand side are Tac 'N Stik holding down the BALLY word in the stencil.

(PICTURE HAS BEEN REMOVED) Pic showing after the YELLOW Stencil has been applied.

Notice the blue dots - I had not removed the Tac 'N Stik prior to taking this photo.

(PICTURE HAS BEEN REMOVED) Pic showing after the TEAL Stencil has been applied.

LOOKS BRAND NEW!!

Notice the blue dots are missing, the Tak 'N Stik has been removed.

(PICTURE HAS BEEN REMOVED) Do you think my paints matched?? 

Here a pic showing my Backbox after repainting & stencils against the original paint job on the Cabinet.

(PICTURE HAS BEEN REMOVED) Here's a closer look at my paint matchups - Cabinet is original factory paint job while the Backbox is my repaint/stencil job. 
(PICTURE HAS BEEN REMOVED) Paint Booth - Full View

This view shows the paint booth sitting inside the garage.  It helps to have a high ceiling in your garage.

Notice the Air Compressor sitting beside the booth.  The air compressor hose runs underneath the wall to the interior.

(PICTURE HAS BEEN REMOVED) Paint Booth - Interior Shot

Here you can see the "door".  Its 2 overlapping pieces of plastic.

The plastic is translucent and lets in light!

Plenty of room to walk around what I'm painting.

(PICTURE HAS BEEN REMOVED) Paint Booth - Air Brush Equipment

On the LEFT is a hobby compressor and air brush kit I purchased.

On the RIGHT is the Automotive air brush gun, air compressor hose and the 3 cans of colored paint for the Fathom cabinet.

(PICTURE HAS BEEN REMOVED) Here's another pic showing all of the tools and supplies I used to paint the Backbox & Cabinet.

 

This page was last updated on 09/04/04